Some time ago I was getting pissed off with politics. (Ha ha ha… getting… like it’s a new thing.)
Everything seems so predictable. Everyone plays their assigned part like friggin’ marionettes. Why? I find it inexplicable they’d subvert their own will like that. Some of the denser marionettes get violent in the streets and weep. To what ends? Some of the more accomplished puppetmasters make a good living sucking money and farming votes within the stirred emotions of the populace. A pox on them all.
Then it occurred to me; “How do I know this?”. It looks like a bunch of nincompoops having tantrums but maybe I’m just as biased and stupid? How am I to know if I’m really reading the winds? Perhaps I’m just freebasing the Dunning–Kruger effect like the rest of the sheep?
So I made an account on PredictIt and offhandedly dropped a ten spot on a few markets. PredictIt is a “prediction market”. The blurb says “PredictIt is run by Victoria University of Wellington, New Zealand, a not-for-profit university, for educational purposes”.
For non-nerds who don’t bathe in math, this means a betting pool where people wager on various political outcomes. You put real money (albeit tiny amounts) down and see what happens. There are many such markets. Some may be better. I decided not to go too far down the rabbit hole seeking the ideal and selected PredictIt more or less at random.
In theory, a market where people risk real money (their own money!) taps into the wisdom of crowds. There have been many examples of markets sussing the truth out of a mountain of bullshit toot sweet. Also, I’m happy with small numbers. If you risk $10 and make 20% profit you’re learning just as much as if you risk $5,000 and make a 20% profit.
Overall, I’m not so sure about PredictIt. It’s just a toy. I risked a ten spot. Hardly putting my neck out there. Also, it’s not a great market. The fees are too high to really make money unless you call big swings. (You pay 10% of profits and 5% at withdrawal. Shares have a max payout at $1 and max loss is the full buck on a share. You can buy all the shares you want but you’re limited to $850 in bets… which is real money to me! There are forums where people chatter but I don’t read them.)
My big complaint is the limited volatility. It’s easier to make money on bets when people stampede to and fro like lemmings. (Anyone recognize a populace that’s acting like that?)
But for all it’s faults it’s OK for what I wanted. I was just looking to self detect the stalking shadow of Dunning-Kruger. Also I’m trying to keep the stupid at bay and not pick up another “job”. Most of the markets bore me and I deliberately spent little time pondering details. I’m simply not steeped in the system enough to ponder the details of Angela Merkel’s daily activities or the number of Tweets the Orange Menace issues per day. (Yes, you can bet on “tweet count”. God only knows why you’d care, but it takes all types.)
That said, I dumped a few bucks on a few markets and subsequently ignored them. The Kavinaugh crapfest came and went. I meant to buy in on a few Kavinaugh markets but was busy. Otherwise I didn’t monitor it. Now I return and I’m up about 4%. No, 4% doesn’t mean I’m the Oracle at Delphi, but then again it’s 4% in just about 2 months. It’s not too shabby for paying little attention. I mildly wish I’d ponied up a bit more than $10 but such is the allure of gambling… which I intend to restrain.
If you’re disturbed by politics, or wish to understand just what the hell is going on, or want to “prove” you’re smarter than the average bear, try a bet. Put your money on the line (even a few pennies) and watch what happens. If you’re a dumbass and lose your shirt (or just a few pennies) it’ll teach humility. If you make good calls and profit (even just a few pennies) you’ll have the satisfaction of testing your theories. In a perfect world, the freaks protesting in the streets would do the same; spend their time testing theories rather than wearing costumes and acting like jackasses. It might do ’em some good. Then again, deep thought and street theater are opposites. I can wish though; if the prediction markets flood with hive mind freaks, I could see myself making some bigger bets and cleaning up.
Stay sane y’all.
Heh.
I’ve dealt with PredictIt once before. I made about $1000 on Trump’s election (buying into that share when it was holding around 20%).
Unfortunately, that was the only political bet I had any interest in making, but they now won’t stop bugging me to keep playing…
Well played. I wish I’d thought of “recreational market betting” during the craziness of late 2016 (all I did was count election signs and blog about how either I was nuts or the press was completely off it’s rocker).
Looks like PredictIt is trying to pull you back in. Anyone who made a grand on their little toy knows when to take the money and run!
Does PredictIt link to paypal and can you put a decent sized chunk of change in it?
Can you make money at this site, in other words.
I don’t see where I can dump PayPal into it. You’d need to route PayPal money through a credit/debit card.
You’re limited to no more than $850 on any one “position” or “market”. I presume that’s to keep ’em soundly in the non-profit legal venue instead of becoming a casino or stock exchange.
Some of the markets have very low volume. If you were of a mind to “dominate” a market $850 might go a long way in a few special markets. That said I’m not sure if there are “unlimited” shares or a fixed number. If it was fixed and with a low share count you might be able to swing some interesting things.
Summary: It’s just a toy for making “beer money”. Maybe one could ride this horse up to “new riding lawnmower” levels possibly even “used car”… but it’s not a big venue to make large bets.
oh yeah…does it do markets like copper, pork bellies…etc..just not predictions in politics?
Could you go further in depth as to what makes this site unique and how it works…
maybe even tell us who owns it?
Just predictions in politics. Mostly elections, polls, etc… Some markets are stupid too; like counting tweets. Some international stuff (elections or Brexit type stuff) but it clearly leans toward the USA. No commodities, weather events, deadpools, sports, celebrities, business activities (like the timing of Sears’ demise), or technology events. That’s kind of a bummer. There are limited choices.
I may be biased but it seems like a lot of the betters are kool-aid drinkers betting on desires rather than solid prediction. I could be wrong! Statistically it’s wise to assume I’m wrong! However, if I’m correct in that guess, this might be an easy place to harvest hippie tears for the next 6 years. Think of it as a small freshwater fishing hole that seems well stocked with decent fish but not a deep sea fishing expedition.
As the election (USA) draws near it may heat up. If so I may play there more and blog about how it’s going.
Also, it’s supposedly owned by or associated with Victoria University of Wellington. That puts it in New Zealand. I imagine a handful of tweed jacketed nerds watching Americans swim in the fishbowl they’ve provided.